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today the attempt to block ground zero mosque in NY fails.

Now and again, people feel free to pray whenever they want, wherever they want.

Paulin reacts: " to build a mosque at Ground Zero is a stab in the heart of the families of the innocent victims of those horrific attacks"

Meanwile, the NY mayor argues that the decision is just to break the unjustifiable link between religion and 9/11

who is right ?[/quot


Je me demande pourquoi tu as mis comme titre "jews in America" alors que ton propos concerne la mosquée au Ground Zero. Fais-tu partie de iceux qui disent que ce sont les juifs qui ont commis l'atroce attentat du 9/11?

Rivou,

il/elle l'a déjà dit. Au fait, Ahmadinejad vient de le dire aussi, et il a dit aussi que le nombre de victimes avait été exagéré. Il commence à radoter, le pauvre.

Surfeuse,

La plupart de leurs nombreux mensonges les ridiculisent tellement que la presse ne les mentionne pas. Malheureusement certains de ces mensonges passent dans les médias mais ne sont pas rectifiés par les journalistes qui ne veulent avouer à quel point ils ont été dupes.

Rivou,

Je suis moins optimiste que toi. Je crois que beaucoup de journalistes d'Europe Occidentale reproduisent la propagande iranienne, c'est le nouveau politiquement correct. Le Monde est, ou est devenu, un torchon anti-sioniste ou anti-sémite, en fait les deux sont devenus synonymes. Tu as vu la façon dont ils ont traité l'affaire de l'assassinat prémédité d'un officier israélien ?

bonjour rivou

merci pour ta question.
j' avoue que j'ai ete aussi bien intrigue que toi.

voici l'explication:

en apportant cette 'information du jour, je voulais en fait inscrire mon post en repondant a celui de gil009,

date du

Re: JEWS IN AMERICA !!
12 juillet 2010, 13:23

et je l'ai cite. Sa photo n'ayant pas ete apparue sur l'ecran, alors j' avais efface l'integralite de son message que j'avais cite;

ce qui explique pourquoi mon post se trouve titre " JEWS IN AMERICA !! "

Voila tout, ma chere rivou.

a ta question, je cite : [ Fais-tu partie de iceux qui disent que ce sont les juifs qui ont commis l'atroce attentat du 9/11? ]
ma response est : non.

Tu aurais du me poser la question avant de faire ce lien, qui m'a intrigue aussi bien que toi, egalement.

Bonne journee !



Modifié 1 fois. Dernière modification le 10/08/2010 16:23 par to-be-free.

Ground Zero for Free Speech
Katha Pollitt | August 12, 2010

Park51, a?k?a Cordoba House, won't be a mosque; it will be a $100 million, thirteen-story cultural center with a pool, gym, auditorium and prayer room. It won't be at Ground Zero; it will be two blocks away. (By the way, two mosques have existed in the neighborhood for years.) It won't be a shadowy storefront where radical clerics recruit young suicide bombers; it will be a showplace of moderate Islam, an Islam for the pluralist West—the very thing wise heads in the United States and Europe agree is essential to integrate Muslim immigrants and prevent them from becoming fundamentalists and even terrorists. "It's a shame we even have to talk about this," says Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime supporter of the project.

Apparently we do, because the same right-wingers who talk about the Constitution as if Sarah Palin had tweeted it herself apparently skipped over the First Amendment, where freedom of speech and worship are guaranteed to all. "America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization," claims Newt Gingrich, who argues that the United States can't let Muslims build a "mosque" "at Ground Zero" because Saudi Arabia doesn't permit the building of churches and synagogues. For a man who warns that Sharia law is coming soon to a courthouse near you, Gingrich seems strangely eager to accept Saudi standards of religious tolerance. Isn't the whole point that ours is an open society and theirs is closed? "This is a desecration," says former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. "Nobody would allow something like that at Pearl Harbor. Let's have some respect for who died there and why they died there. Let's not put this off on some kind of politically correct theory." I'm not aware of any Japanese-Americans trying to build a Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor, but what if they had? Why would that be so terrible? (Oh, and "politically correct theory"? Would that be the First Amendment? Giuliani never did have much fondness for pesky old free speech.)

And then there's Sarah Palin, America's Tweetheart: "Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing." Yes, peace-seeking Muslims, just crawl back into your cave and leave us real Americans alone so we can get over the terrible crime committed by people who are not you! Thirty-three years ago, the language of healing wasn't powerful enough to keep the National Socialists of America from marching in Skokie, Illinois—home to many Holocaust survivors—and kudos to the ACLU for defending the freedom of assembly even of those worst of the worst, a position that was not at all obvious at the time. But we've been thoroughly bathed in psychobabble since then, so it's not surprising that sophisticated opponents like Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, have adopted that cloying lingo: "strong passions...keen sensitivities...counterproductive to the healing process." As Foxman wrote in a statement, "ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain—unnecessarily—and that is not right."

Actually, there are 9/11 survivors and families on both sides of the Park51 proposal. Opening the center is "consistent with fundamental American values of freedom and justice for all," said the group September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. And although a Marist poll found that 53 percent of New York City residents oppose the center, 53 percent of Manhattanites support it—let's hear it for the much-mocked Upper West Side. But even if all the survivors, and every inhabitant of the World Trade Center's home borough, were united against it, that should not carry the day. The Constitution is not a Tylenol pill. It's not about making hurt people feel better—or pandering to the resentments of bigots, either. Nor is it about polls or majority votes. If it were, freedom of speech would not be possible, because as Rosa Luxemburg said, freedom is "always...for the one who thinks differently." It would be nice if our elected officials, who swore an oath to defend the Constitution, got the message. Instead, we have mostly silence, with Governor David Paterson offering state land if Park51 agreed to move elsewhere. That man just can't seem to do anything right.

What's especially odd about the Park51 flap is that Palin, Gingrich and other right-wing opponents delight in waving the Constitution about and professing to revere its every word. They, after all, are the ones who love religion so much, they think the First Amendment is all about privileging it over secularism. Don't tread on me with your evil humanist jackboot! The argument that religion should not be imposed on public spaces—a public-school classroom, say—has never made sense to them. In their mythology, believers are a persecuted minority because the ACLU won't let biology teachers suggest that Earth might well be only 10,000 years old. It turns out that by religion they mean only Christianity. Indeed, Tennessee Tea Party gubernatorial candidate Ron Ramsey suggests that Islam isn't a religion but a cult—as if the world's 1.5 billion Muslims are sleep-deprived runaways controlled by an evil mastermind.

The attempt by Gingrich and others to portray Park51 as part of a planned Islamic takeover of the United States is shameful and ridiculous. America is a secular democracy in which at least three-quarters of the population are committed Christians, and hedonism is a way of life. Almost nobody, even among American Muslims, is interested in the supposed aims of militant Islam——polygyny, forcing women into burqas, banning pork and alcohol and music, instituting Sharia law. Fear of Muslim rule is even more preposterous than what it has so efficiently replaced—fear of communist rule—and one day it will look just as bizarre.

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"Ne nous y trompons pas : ceux qui parlent de l'islamisation de la France sont guidés par la même obsession xénophobe que ceux qui dénonçaient la judaïsation de notre pays dans les années 1930. L'étranger, quel que soit son visage, reste responsable pour l'extrême droite des maux de notre -société." Richard Prasquier, Président du CRIF

A  Letter to the World from Jerusalem by  Eliezer ben Yisrael ( Stanley  Goldfoot) 1969
I   am not a creature from another planet, as you seem to believe. I  am a  Jerusalemite - like yourselves, a man of flesh and blood. I am  a citizen of my  city, an integral part of my people.
I have a  few things to get off my  chest. Because I am not a diplomat, I do  not have to mince words. I do not  have to please you or even  persuade you.
I   owe you nothing. You did not build this city, you did not live in  it, you  did not defend it when they came to destroy it. And we  will be damned if we will let you take it away.

There was  a Jerusalem before there was a New York .  When Berlin , Moscow , London ,  and Paris were miasmal forest and  swamp, there was a  thriving Jewish community here. It gave something to the  world  which you nations have rejected ever since you established yourselves-   a humane moral code.
Here the prophets walked, their words  flashing like  forked lightning.
Here   a people who wanted nothing more than to be left alone, fought off  waves of  heathen would-be conquerors, bled and died on the  battlements, hurled  themselves into the flames of their burning  Temple rather than surrender,  and when finally overwhelmed by  sheer numbers and led away into captivity,  swore that before they  forgot Jerusalem , they would see their tongues  cleave to their  palates, their right arms wither.
For   two pain-filled millennia, while we were your unwelcome guests, we  prayed  daily to return to this city. Three times a day we  petitioned the Almighty:  "Gather us from the four corners of the  world, bring us upright to our land,  return in mercy to Jerusalem,  Thy City, and swell in it as Thou promised."  On every Yom Kippur  and Passover, we fervently voiced the hope that next  year would  find us in Jerusalem .

Your inquisitions, pogroms,  expulsions,  the ghettos into which you jammed us, your forced  baptisms, your quota  systems, your genteel anti-Semitism, and the  final unspeakable horror, the  holocaust (and worse, your  terrifying disinterest in it)- all these have not  broken  us.
They   may have sapped what little moral strength you still possessed,  but they  forged us into steel. Do you think that you can break us  now after all we  have been through? Do you really believe that  after Dachau and Auschwitz we  are frightened by your  threats of blockades and sanctions?
 
We have been  to Hell and  back- a Hell of your making. What more could you possibly have  in  your arsenal that could scare us?
I   have watched this city bombarded twice by nations calling  themselves  civilized. In 1948, while you looked on apathetically,  I saw women and  children blown to smithereens, after we agreed to  your request to  internationalize the city. It was a deadly  combination that did the  job-British officers, Arab gunners, and  American-made cannon. And then the  savage sacking of the Old  City-the willful slaughter, the wanton  destruction of every  synagogue and religious school, the desecration of  Jewish  cemeteries, the sale by a ghoulish government of tombstones for   building materials, for poultry runs, army camps, even  latrines.
And you  never said a word.
You   never breathed the slightest protest when the Jordanians shut off  the  holiest of our places, the Western Wall, in violation of the  pledges they  had made after the war- a war they waged,  incidentally, against the decision  of the UN. Not a murmur came  from you whenever the legionnaires in their  spiked helmets  casually opened fire upon our citizens from behind the   walls.
Your   hearts bled when Berlin came under siege. You rushed  your airlift "to save  the gallant Berliners." But you did not send  one ounce of food when Jews  starved in  besieged Jerusalem . You thundered against the wall which the   East Germans ran through the middle of the German capital-but not  one peep  out of you about that other wall, the one that tore  through the heart of  Jerusalem .

And when that same thing  happened 20 years later, and the  Arabs unleashed a savage,  unprovoked bombardment of theHoly City again, did  any of  you do anything?
The   only time you came to life was when the city was at last reunited.  Then you  wrung your hands and spoke loftily of "justice" and need  for the "Christian"  quality of turning the other cheek.
The  truth-and you know it deep  inside your gut - you would prefer the  city to be destroyed rather than have  it governed by Jews. No  matter how diplomatically you phrase it, the age old  prejudices  seep out of every word.
If   our return to the city has tied your theology in knots, perhaps  you had  better re-examine your catechisms. After what we have been  through, we are  not passively going to accommodate ourselves to  the twisted idea that we are  to suffer eternal homelessness until  we accept your savior.

For the first  time since the year 70,  there is now complete religious freedom for all in   Jerusalem . For the first time since the Romans put a torch  to the Temple ,  everyone has equal rights (You prefer to  have some more equal than others.)  We loathe the sword-but it was  you who forced us to take it up. We crave  peace, but we are not  going back to the peace of 1948 as you would like us   to.
We   are home. It has a lovely sound for a nation you have willed to  wander over  the face of the globe. We are not leaving. We are  redeeming the pledge made  by our  forefathers: Jerusalem is being rebuilt. "Next year" and the  year  after, and after, and after, until the end of time-  "in Jerusalem  "!

welcome gyl...reviens sur les infos d israel ..

merci

Bravo ! Gil 009......cet article datant de 69 decrit en details precis la situation dans laquelle se trouvait la vieille ville de Jerusalem sous l' occupation jordanienne!...et depuis 67 , sous les differents maires de l'administration israelienne,jamais le parvis de la mosquee Al Aksa et de ses petites ruelles environnantes n'ont etaient si bien entrenus et propres !....parceque nous sommes des batisseurs pas des destructeurs !...........

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Bravo ! Gil 009......cet article datant de 69 decrit en details precis la situation dans laquelle se trouvait la vieille ville de Jerusalem sous l' occupation jordanienne!...et depuis 67 , sous les differents maires de l'administration israelienne,jamais le parvis de la mosquee Al Aksa et de ses petites ruelles environnantes n'ont etaient si bien entrenus et propres !....parceque nous sommes des batisseurs pas des destructeurs !...........

Ça s'appelle juste de l'assainissement... Et heureusement que c'est le cas!

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"Ne nous y trompons pas : ceux qui parlent de l'islamisation de la France sont guidés par la même obsession xénophobe que ceux qui dénonçaient la judaïsation de notre pays dans les années 1930. L'étranger, quel que soit son visage, reste responsable pour l'extrême droite des maux de notre -société." Richard Prasquier, Président du CRIF

même quand c'est bien, pour Rali, c'est tout à fait normal, mauvaise foie(sp ?)

à vraix dire, les insinuations maladroites mênent à la discorde de toute manière.


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même quand c'est bien, pour Rali, c'est tout à fait normal, mauvaise foie(sp ?)

à vraix dire, les insinuations maladroites mênent à la discorde de toute manière.


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Dans les années 50, il était difficile d'avoir des réseaux d'assainissement de qualité dans certaines médinas, au risque d'affaiblir les fondations... d'où une hygiène déplorable.

Depuis, les choses ont changé... Heureusement.

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"Ne nous y trompons pas : ceux qui parlent de l'islamisation de la France sont guidés par la même obsession xénophobe que ceux qui dénonçaient la judaïsation de notre pays dans les années 1930. L'étranger, quel que soit son visage, reste responsable pour l'extrême droite des maux de notre -société." Richard Prasquier, Président du CRIF

Excellente tribune!

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"Ne nous y trompons pas : ceux qui parlent de l'islamisation de la France sont guidés par la même obsession xénophobe que ceux qui dénonçaient la judaïsation de notre pays dans les années 1930. L'étranger, quel que soit son visage, reste responsable pour l'extrême droite des maux de notre -société." Richard Prasquier, Président du CRIF

THAT'S AMERICA WE LOVE !!

NEED MORE JUDGES LIKE JUDGE YOUNG,

POWERFUL WORDS

PASS THIS AROUND !!





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Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio?
Didn't think so.!!!
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

N.B. Richard Reid will die in prison!
Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything
to say His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the
record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to
Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I
will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war
with your country.'

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:


Judge Young: ?'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the
Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4and 7,
the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the
sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.)

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to
be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes
upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an
aggregate fine of $2 million. ?The Court accepts the government's
recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in
the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court
imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law
requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need
go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair
and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of
your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have
been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say
that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal
with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as
individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a
soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to
call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the
officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think
you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not
negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not
sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring
them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court You are a big fellow. But
you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a
terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted
murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when
you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered
where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no big
deal.'

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States
attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how
tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. ? What was
it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to
search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led
you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I
have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this
entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You
hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to
live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not
believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind
carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It
is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in
this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that
justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for
freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your
behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you
before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we
treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no
mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any
price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it
well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will
long endure.

Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American
people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice,
not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President
of the United States through his officers will have to come into
courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged
and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence
democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? ?That's the flag of the United States of
America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.
That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.








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Third World War is on going.


The war against terror The first World War was not a "war against Mustard Gas", Mustard gas was a weapon.

The enemy was Germany and Central Powers. The Second World War was not against the famous German aircraft "The Messerschmitt", The Messerschmitt was a weapon.

The enemy was fought was Germany, Italy, and the other Axis Powers.

The Third Word War, which the US is fighting now, is not a war against terror (fear). Terror is a weapon.

A weapon called for by the enemy's textbook, the Koran (Qur'an).

The enemy is ISLAM and its teachings of Dar al-harb (Adobe of Devastation or realm of Warfare).

Its 14 century old jihad against all who do not accept its medieval morality, and its demands to impose dhimmitude (status of civil subjugation) on any who resist its insistence upon submission.

IF WE REFUSE TO TRUTHFULLY DEFINE THE ENEMY, WE CANNOT HOPE TO DEFEAT HIM.

So long as our leaders and the media do not abandon that self-defeating form of "political correctness", which requires them to substitute the name of a weapon for the name of the enemy, movement will continue to conquer and devour every culture, every civilization and every faith that doesn't submit to its demands.

What some apologists call "Islamism" and "islamoFascism" and " Extremist Islam" are not aberrant strains of Islam, they are in fact, pure Islam.

Muslims around the world know very well that Islam is the target.

They understand the truth which we continue to hide it.

Now we, too, must have the courage and honesty to acknowledge PUBLICALLY that ISLAM IS THE ENEMY.

Unless we accept the unpleasant fact that we are engaged in a long-term defensive "war against Islam", we better start teaching our children and grandchildren how to memorize the Koran in Arabic in lieu of going to our churches or synagogues.

ya qu'à attendre maintenant,

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Hahahaha. Les protocoles des Sages d'Arabie.
How stupid can people be

ok wolfy,
just got the same sort of answer from my "son" "this is bullshit propaganda, so he says - I think this is a conflict of generation ! just wanted to have some reaction ! I did.
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