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24 octobre 2010, 09:39

From the British House of Commons..............
Speech to the Friends of Israel Initiative.
Monday 19 July 2010

Andrew Roberts, Member Parliament

I would like to speak to you today as an historian, because it seems to me that the State of Israel has packed more history into her 62 years on the planet than many other nations have in six hundred.

There are many surprising things about this tiny, feisty, brave nation the size of Wales, but the most astonishing is that she has survived at all. The very day after the n`han five Arab countries, and she has been struggling for her right to life ever since. And that is what we are here for today, to reiterate Israel right to self-defense, inherent in all legitimate countries.

From Morocco to Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea to Aden, the 5.25 million square miles of territory belonging to members of the Arab League is home to over 330 million people, whereas Israel covers only eight thousand square miles, and is home to seven million citizens, one-fifth of whom are Arabs.

The Jews of the Holy Land are thus surrounded by hostile states 650 times their size in territory and sixty times their population, yet their last, best hope of ending two millennia of international persecution the State of Israel has somehow survived.

When during the Second World War, the island of Malta came through three terrible years of bombardment and destruction, it was rightly awarded the George Medal for bravery: today Israel should be awarded a similar decoration for defending democracy, tolerance and Western values against a murderous onslaught that has lasted twenty times as long.

Jerusalem is the site of the Temple of Solomon and Herod.

The stones of a palace erected by King David himself are even now being unearthed just outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Everything that makes a nation state legitimate blood shed, soil tilled, two millennia of continuous residence, international agreements argues for Israel's right to exist, yet that is still denied by the Arab League.

For many of their governments, which are rich enough to have economically solved the Palestinian refugee problem decades ago, it is useful to have Israel as a scapegoat to divert attention from the tyranny, failure and corruption of their own regimes.

The tragic truth is that it suits Arab states very well to have the Palestinians endure permanent refugee status, and whenever Israel puts forward workable solutions they have been stymied by those who interests put the destruction of Israel before the genuine well-being of the Palestinians.

Both King Abdullah I of Jordan and Anwar Sadat of Egypt were assassinated when they attempted to come to some kind of accommodation with a country that most sane people now accept is not going away.

We owe to the Jews, wrote Winston Churchill in 1920, a system of ethics which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all wisdom and learning put together.

The Jewish contribution to finance, science, the arts, academia, commerce and industry, literature, philanthropy and politics has been astonishing relative to their tiny numbers.

Although they make up less than half of one per-cent of the world population, between 1901 and 1950 Jews won 14% of all the Nobel Prizes awarded for Literature and Science, and between 1951 and 2000 Jews won 32% of the Nobel Prizes for Medicine, 32% for Physics, 39% for Economics and 29% for Science.

This, despite so many of their greatest intellects dying in the gas chambers.

Civilization owes Judaism a debt it can never repay, and support for the right of a Jewish homeland to exist is the bare minimum we can provide.

Yet we tend to treat Israel like a leper on the international scene, merely for defending herself, and threatening her with academic boycotts if she builds a separation wall that has so far reduced suicide bombings by 95% over three years.

It is a disgrace that no senior member of the Royal Family has ever undertaken an official visit to Israel, as though the country is still in quarantine after more than six decades.

Her Majesty the Queen has been on the throne for 57 years and in that time has undertaken 250 official visits to 129 countries, yet has not yet set foot in Israel.

She has visited 14 Arab countries, so it cannot have been that she wasn't in the region. Although Prince Philips mother Princess Alice is buried on the Mount of Olives because of her status as Righteous Among Gentiles, the Foreign Office ordained that his visit to his mother grave in 1994 had to be in a private capacity only. Royal visits are one of the ways legitimacy is conferred on nations, and the Coalition Government should end the Foreign Offices de facto boycott.

After the Holocaust, the Jewish people recognized that they must have their own state, a homeland where they could forever be safe from a repetition of such horrors. Putting their trust in Western Civilization was never again going to be enough. Since then, Israel has had to fight no fewer than five major wars for her very existence.

She has been on the front line in the War against Terror and has been fighting the West's battles for it, decades before 9/11 or 7/7 ever happened.

Radical Islam is never going to accept the concept of an Israeli State, so the struggle is likely to continue for another sixty years, but the Jews know that that is less dangerous than entrusting their security to anyone else.

Very often in Britain, especially when faced with the overwhelmingly anti-Israeli bias that is endemic in our liberal media and the BBC, we fail to ask ourselves what we would have done placed in their position?

The population of the United Kingdom of 63 million is nine times that of Israel. In July 2006, to take one example at random, Hezbollah crossed the border of Lebanon into Israel and killed eight patrolmen and kidnapped two others, and that summer fired four thousand Katyusha rockets into Israel which killed a further forty-three civilians.

Now, if we multiply those numbers by nine to get the British equivalent, just imagine what we would do if a terrorist organization based as close as Calais were to fire thirty-six thousand rockets into Sussex and Kent, killing 87 British civilians, after killing seventy-two British servicemen in an ambush and capturing eighteen.

There is absolutely no lengths to which our Government would not go to protect British subjects under those circumstances, and quite right too.

Why should Israel be expected to behave any differently?

In the course of researching my latest book on the Second World War, I recently visited Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Walking along a line of huts and the railway siding where their forebears had been worked and starved and beaten and frozen and gassed to death, were a group of Jewish schoolchildren, one of whom was carrying over his shoulder the Israeli flag, a blue star of David on white background.

It was a profoundly moving sight, for it was the sovereign independence represented by that flag which guarantees that the obscenity of genocide which killed six million people in Auschwitz and camps like it - will never again befall the Jewish people, to whom the rest of civilization owes so much.

I said at the start that I was speaking to you as an historian, and so I say:

No people in History have needed the right to self-defense and legitimacy more than the Jews of Israel, and that is what we in the Friends of Israel Initiative demand here today.
28 octobre 2010, 00:56

28 octobre 2010, 02:59
Better start watching it from 2:00 so you don't waste your time ...
29 octobre 2010, 14:23
watch and listen !

29 octobre 2010, 23:49
so I did!

ideal ! this man is a very good journalist, I watch him on CNN and I like his message.

However, the time is not right for the Muslim cultural Center near Ground Zero,
not until Ben laden is caught and hung !

30 octobre 2010, 06:44
so I did!

ideal ! this man is a very good journalist, I watch him on CNN and I like his message.

However, the time is not right for the Muslim cultural Center near Ground Zero,
not until Ben laden is caught and hung !


Je suis très choqué que tu puisses lier construction d'une mosquée (peut importe où) et prise de BenLaden...Je ne comprends pas le rapport!

Il y a des choses qui me dépassent intellectuellement!

"Ne nous y trompons pas : ceux qui parlent de l'islamisation de la France sont guidés par la même obsession xénophobe que ceux qui dénonçaient la judaïsation de notre pays dans les années 1930. L'étranger, quel que soit son visage, reste responsable pour l'extrême droite des maux de notre -société." Richard Prasquier, Président du CRIF
30 octobre 2010, 09:15
enigme pour toi peut être, on n'est pas les mêmes, c'est lié, crois moi, le moment n'est pas encore propice, je suis Américaine, et je connais l'Américque profonde, chrétienne et conservatrice, Tout ce que dit ce reporter est juste, mais......... ne te prends pas pour un être superieurement intelligent, pas encore............. si tu ne comprends pas, alors, attends un peu, ça te viendra à l'esprit.

winking smiley
30 octobre 2010, 09:51
mdr multinational
remplacer la lettre f d'africain par la lettre m et vous voila americain
30 octobre 2010, 10:07
et c'est vrai, Elie, j'ai 4 nationalités !!! passport et carte d'identité à l'appui. rien de spécial pour moi. sorry de vous déplaire.

30 octobre 2010, 23:45
le quatrième passport, n'est pas encore demandé, c'est celui du Maroc. "on" me dit qe je n'ai qu'à faire la demande.

to other things now !!

30 octobre 2010, 23:54

How did Jefferson know?

Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.

· At 5, began studying under his cousins’ tutor.

· At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

· At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

· At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.

· At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

· At 23, started his own law practice.

· At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

· At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America" and retired from his law practice.

· At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

· At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.

· At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

· At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.

· At 40, served in Congress for two years.

· At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.

· At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

· At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.

· At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.

· At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .

· At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.

· At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

· At 65, retired to Monticello .

· At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

· At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.

· At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams

Thomas Jefferson knew because he-himself studied the previous failed attempts at government.

He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be waaay more than what most understand today.

Jefferson really knew his stuff.

A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the

brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this

statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence

ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of

when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.

Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretens

of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad

government results from too much government.

Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep

and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves

against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with

the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation

of ideas.

Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies..
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

I wish we could get this out to everyone!!!
31 octobre 2010, 00:35
le quatrième passport, n'est pas encore demandé, c'est celui du Maroc. "on" me dit qe je n'ai qu'à faire la demande.

to other things now !!
lo hakamout ela hayhout
mirov atzin lo ro-am et hayar
je ne possede que deux nationalite la francaise a ma naissance et une autre l'israelienne par naturalisation a lage de 26 ans pas a l'age de la retraite
31 octobre 2010, 07:01


Muslims Attack Hindus in India: A Warning For the West?

Chesler Chronicles A European colleague of mine lives and works in India. Recently, he came to visit.

His story was unbelievable. For the last few years, every day, day after day, he, his wife, and his wife’s
family have been harassed and attacked by Muslim marauders. Both his property and his medical clinic
have been attacked;

his Hindu wife and relatives have had their cows stolen and slaughtered, their outbuildings destroyed,
their farm property taken over.

The police would not help. He had to hire private security to guard his free clinic. Finally, Muslims attacked
the clinic when it was filled with patients (including, of course, Muslim patients).

At the last moment, before the clinic was entirely overrun, the police reluctantly came to his aid.
He had to pay many bribes, pull many strings—and still, the matter is far from over.

He did not want me to write about this. “It is simply too dangerous for a Hindu to describe, accurately,
what Muslims are doing to us in our own country.”

He assured me that neither the government nor the media could be counted on to “do the right thing here.

The media will not say that Muslims are criminally aggressive. They are too afraid to say so.

They know there will be rioting. It’s already happened.”
Mr. Tapan Ghosh is an incredibly brave and determined Hindu human rights activist who is taking on
these Muslim immigrants, criminals, rioters, kidnappers, rapists, and traffickers of Hindu girls and women.
31 octobre 2010, 08:10
la pire des persecutions islamiques dont j'ai été témoin en 1983 s'est produite au Nigeria.Les chretiens vivant dans le nord de cet immense pays,sont victimes d'une épuration ethnique d'envergure,dans l'indifférence abjecte du Vatican
et des autres Eglises.Ce qui le plus affligeant est le rejet des refugiés manifesté par les autres régions peuplées d'ethnies homogènes et impitoyablement opposées à leur installation,même provisoire.
Au moment de mon depart de la région,j'ai été prié de donner toutes les pellicules de films et de photos,après une fouille minutieuse de mes bagages,étant informé que je ferais mieux d'oublier ces "incidents".
31 octobre 2010, 11:27
Pièces jointes:
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01 novembre 2010, 08:31

Nous savons que le processus de l'épuration des chrétiens en pays musulmans totalitaires , est en marche

depuis toujours, les chrétiens y sont persécutés , opprimés , et l'eglise est complice en censurant la vérité

sur leur situation .

Cette myopie volontaire, perverse du vatican veut détourner son incapacité à protéger ses ouailles en

stigmatisant , "sans risques" ISRAEL ,( bouc émissaire habituel et coupable idéal ).

Pour plaire aux islamistes , elle pousse l'infâmie jusqu'à gommer la légitimation du peuple JUIF sur sa terre

ancestrale , le vatican se leurre sur les intentions réelles de cet islam envahissant qui menace notre mode

de vie et nos libertés , ce n'est qu'une trève pour arriver à leurs buts, ils exigent qu'ISRAEL paie pour la

prétendue humiliation arabe , et ISRAEL leur sert de "champ de frustration" à cette supercherie .


01 novembre 2010, 13:03
so I did!

ideal ! this man is a very good journalist, I watch him on CNN and I like his message.

However, the time is not right for the Muslim cultural Center near Ground Zero,
not until Ben laden is caught and hung !


No no no ... you didn't
cuz if you did, you wouldn't come up with your "however". tell me ! Didn’t you hear of the first Amendment?

" Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom " quote from Thomas Jefferson

Modifié 1 fois. Dernière modification le 01/11/2010 13:04 par to-be-free.
01 novembre 2010, 13:30
I do know the first amendment.

Evil is Evil ! the devil is out there, all muslim should be hunting this man down ! if they help him, and keep him from being exposed to justice, they are his followers... I will consider that they approuve of his crimes, justice will be done when he will be caught, and hopefully by his brothers,
in my eyes, thiis act will restablish justice. Until then............
02 novembre 2010, 13:34
in my eys, you and Ben laden are just surfing in the same wave !!
02 novembre 2010, 13:37
La politique de marocanisation fut bien une politique de spoliation...

et tu dis que tu as des liens indefectibles avec le maroc !!!
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